Hunting The Muse

Thought-provoking post...especially since I just finished watching "Bowling for Columbine". Thanks for sharing.

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I think the reason why Harris and Klebold killed other people wasn't because one of them wasn't just a physchopath. I think they both were physchopaths. The thing is is that the only reason why they killed so many people was probably because once they walked into the school, was the people that first came into sight.

I mean seriously. The only reason why they joined the Trench Coat Mafia was only because people were teasing them like about where they came from or their clothes or their friends or other stuff like that. It's just crazy! Why do you think so many teens are killing themselves these days? It's because people are making fun of them.

There's some teens that just want the attention, so people will pay attention to everything they say. So, if you think they are kidding and you start making fun of them, think twice because they may not be kidding. Why do you think there's so many teens killing themselves. So, before you say something to someone, first please, think about the consequences because you never know what that person or people might end up doing.

Harris and Klebold had this site of their own, which later was taken over by some guy they knew.
I read some things about the site and what it was about.
It showed that Eric Harris actually loved his hate and didn't want to try to get it away. He was full of hate.Eric Harris was the "anarchist" of the two, he made the pipeboms, he threw in the Columbine cafetria, by himself. He also said a couple of times in his journal that he hated "this rotten place" he hated people who said they had guns and stuff like that, he wanted to show them that if you were really planning to kill, that you should show you would do it. Dylan Klebold on the other hand was more the smarter type. He had good grades and was even before he met Eric sent to a school for the smarter kids.

Here's a little something Eric harris wrote;
"I AM YOUR APOCALYPSE
I AM YOUR BELIEF UNWROUGHT
MONOLITHIC UGGERNAUT
I'M THE ILLEGITIMATE SON OF GOD"

I think, Brittany is right, we shoulld be more carefull about people.
I also think, that people like Bush create followers of Harris and Klebold. I mean look at the stupid wars he's planning..
I think he should just F*ck off and leave other countries alone.

I think the people who have posted on this page don't know shit. What the hell, Eric and Dylan weren't part of the trench coat mafia, and to Mado, Eric didn't write those words you idiot there lyrics from KMFDM. I'm also pro war in Iraq, and am joining the army soon. I'll see you in hell.

I'm with you Judas. Mados, I'm not sure were you got your information but Eric aced his classes. Dylan was an unrepentant slacker. I'm kinda iffy about the whole "phsycopath" ordeal but whatever, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

Hi, don't blame it on the victims. Or on the suburbs. What makes a kid a killer? Eric Harris was using Luvox, an antidepressant often used to treat obsessive compulsive disorder, and a prescription drug with awesome side effects.
Here are my sources: http://www.disastercenter.com/killers.html
http://www.thememoryhole.org/columbine/harris-violent.htm
Yesterday (on Sept. 28, first warm day of spring) there was a similar incident in Argentina. That's why I'm researching: trying to understand. Thank you, Curt, for your post. (More in my blog... it's in Spanish, with links to sites in English).

I BELIVE IN ERIC AND DYLAN THEY DID THE RIGHT THING AND I WOULD DO IT HERE AT MY SCHOOL IF I HAD TO.

Eric and Dylan were very sick but i think that the rabbit hole goes deeper than the doctors evalulations. every person has a secret and everything isn't always black and white. i am sorry for them but never the less they took human lives and they took their own. may the Lord show mercy on their souls. and 2 all u people out there who think that Eric and Dylan are heros (look into the eyes of a killer and tell me what u c) some of u wouldn't be able to handle the comprehention murder, so next time u want to play lets be friends w/ a murderer or he's my role model...think again.

Many , many things have been written about this tragedy. I think alot of people need to slow down a bit with all their speculation and non proveable heresay. What I mean is..... imagine for a moment, have you ever seen a 12 guage shotgun fire into somthing at point blank range? It's a truly powerful
peice of machinery, Imagine all that hot lead and fire ripping thru your chest.... The memories from your life spinning wildly as your nervouse system
twitches your leg's to show its disapproval. The acrid smell of gunpowder smoke is the last thing your olfactory gland senses before you begin gagging as your sinuses fill with blood, you are a beautiful, unique masterpeice....you are a human being....primed with youth, ready to embrace your life. You just sustained multiple shotgun blasts to the head and chest at the hands of another such individual ( yes Eric & Dylan)
Your life has just been drained from your eyes as you stared on in disbelief and fear.
This event happened over and over that day in Littleton, that alone...the sheer gravity of what Eric and Dylan did is so immense....
It needs not to be overlooked of the simple things. After all, if you were murdered that day in class, would you be pissed off if someone
got the story wrong? Eric and Dylan are not hero's. It is undestandable that some humans, would find a sense of solidarity in looking up to them. I know that for a while, many people did as well. Their macabbre fascination with the gory details of what happens in the world, had resulted in this: An utter miscarriage of reality.
So much has been written and debated about that day in Littleton. I wish I could go back and change things. I wish I could have known about it somehow, and somehow gotten up to Colorado to destroy the boys before they destroyed all the others. ( just a daydream i know)
In the end, I cannot explain what all happened that day. I think of the victims and their families, and I hope that wherever Eric and Dylan are, that they will mitigate their responsibility for all this in their next level of existance. I can only hope that this event can be postponed from reality for as long as possible before occuring again. And hope my kid isnt under a table there , only to beome erased by an out of control energy force of a human being, a child throwing a temper tantrum over his pre, or mid pubecant angst. God, what a damn shame..... may you all be safe from the level of energies which fell on Littleton that day. In closing I pose only one real question.

Why was there no armed security guard/cop/teacher? and if there was, where the hell was he/she? Its ovious that Eric and Dylans thirst was quenched that day. Quite obvious imho,
Otherwise, after all the killing was done why did they walk around destroying things and shooting out computer screens,they could have easilly tripled the number of killed victims. Instead, they walked around and fumed about things for a while, eeerily and terrifyingly peeking into various classrooms. But not killing.
Not shooting them. They had LOADS of extra ammo,
so it wasnt that . I think they simply had, had
enough at that point. or perhaps one of the two was smart enough to not rile a small mob into a fight for lives....after all at some point if they just blasted into the classrooms, then everyone would have instinctively bum rushed the door , even the two of them could not have stopped a mass exodus aimed thru them.

we may never know
keep searching for the truth and you can never fail. :)
thanks to the oriiginal posters, admin , and the others i forgot to mention.

keep the good work. :]

First, we all need to remember that everybody involved is human. When people think about Columbine or other disasters, they tend to demonize or glorify the people involved. In truth, all those people are only human. Think about it a little bit and try to understand their motivations for every bit of what happened.

The other thing to consider is that Eric Harris has many characteristics of a psychopath. This doesn't make him any less guilty; it doesn't absolve him morally. The fact that he is a psychopath just means that he has no conscience, he has no respect for the fact that other people have thoughts and feelings, and he has a giant superioty complex. Try to put yourself in the mind of a psychopath, as painful as it may be, and see other people as meer objects for you to use to further you life plan, to meet your lust for power and blood. Then the whole thing makes a little more sense.

By saying that, I am in no way condoning what Harris and Klebold did. I am just trying to make sense of what happened. I am not satisfied with just letting things like this be. I need to know why and how these things happen. I can't help trying to put myself inside other people's heads to figure out how they felt while they were doing a certain thing. Maybe if more people tried to understand eachother things like this wouldn't happen, but we must not stop with people we deem "worthy" of understanding. We must attempt to understand everyone, no matter how disgusting and horrible. Try to understand what they're thinking.

Sorry, I forgot to mention something. I reccommend you read the article that these post are about before you post something. Opinions without information to back them are relatively useless.

To tell you the truth, I feel a little silly myself even taking the time to post a comment about Columbine..considering how it happened so long ago. But I do need to express my opinion just because it is on my mind. Everyone thinks they know everything about Columbine. We love saying it, Columbine Columbine Columbine...it just flows...people love using it as an example. Columbine this, and Columbine that. This is because of the media I think as well, the whole "biggest school massacre in the history of USA blah blah blah". I really do feel for the victims and their families. Us? we need to get a grip on reality. Those people HAVE a right to talk about Columbine all the time, they HAVE a right to accuse others and yes they DO have a right to dwell on it because they are left with no answers. The world on the other hand, is just do damn curious. Everyone was wanting to know everything about what happened. Thats okay because as human beings were gunna be morbid, and gunna wanna picture in our minds exactly what happened on that horrible day. But seriously, I think that it was way looked in to. Eric and Dylan were losers. I don't mean to be harsh, but honestly they just were. They were those kind of kinds who have always wanted to fit in but always say the wrong things or act the wrong way. I know you can think of at least one kid in your class who is like that. They became unique in their own way, dominance. Don't you see? They were cowards. All these people go on about how they were heros, and girls in chat rooms say how they would have dated them if they were still alive. its like...no you wouldnt you would just think they were tools just like everyone else. Eric and Dylan didn't die in vein, and I think that this is the most important part. One thing that i think people are so fascinated with is the power they must have felt when walking around that school, the knowing that they would go down in history, but look at it from this point of view. They felt like failures the moment before they died. They really did. Cuz think about it, there plan was to kill 500! and then shoot all the remaining people trying to escape. PSH, once there bombs didnt go off they were probably pissed...and thinking, oh man everything is messing up.. its not working like we fantisized it would. Of coarse, they couldn't make it seem like that or else it would letting the school win. SO yeah, they did go around saying Peek-a boo and smile as if they were having the times of their lives, but really they were walking around completely disoriented because all they could think about was how they didn't win...how there parents had to live with their mistakes for the rest of their lives all for pratically nothing. The moment before they shot themselves, the wanted to turn back. It was way too much reality for them and the feeling alone of not being able to turn back was what made their finger pull the trigger. They were failures, and have to live with the consequences in many lifetimes to come. We also have to remember that without all the media, infamous websites and books about them, they were just two mest up kids who dealt with their problems through violence.
sincerly,
brit jay

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are awesome and will be remembered forever!

Hi...well school shottings are a very serious issue and Columbine pops up everytime they debate about gun control or school massacres because it was created by two 'LOSERS' like Brittney said but they were also human. And humans feel remorse and they like the taste of bittersweet revenge. Obviously, Eric Harris savoured his revenge. But still, they're gonna suffer the consequences of their actions in hell. So they're not really at peace, 13 times they'll burn in Satan's fire for the thirteen innocents gunned down.

If any of the kids they killed were the ones that tormented them, then they weren't innocent. Despite all the psychobabble spewed by the psychologists, etc, people can only be pushed so far and put up with so much. Anybody that harassed them constantly brought it on themselves when they were killed. The dense, thickheaded parents of those dead kids who didn't give a shit if their children destroyed the emotional well-being of Dylan and Eric are also as much and MORE to blame than Dylan and Eric, as is the school and the 'victims' themselves. I never felt sorry for the people they killed when I heard of the problems Dylan and Eric had. What goes around comes around. RIP Dylan and Eric, I hope you are in a much better place.

I think that those two kids were teenagers with a hating for life. I think they were cool because they were obviously geniuses mixed with a bit of evil, and they knew in their hearts what they thought they had to do, so they did it. They were brilliant and awesome and had some reash thoughts that wouldn't go away, so they decided to take care of theis problem. I think they were cool because they were so... right

eric and dylan had a chemical embalence simply because people just dont hate for no reason.mabe thats why they reincarnated into this life because they had more learning to do but now.. mabe they will never know.if they shot my kid i would dislike them very much but not hate them simply because we are all connected if you want to believe it or not.of couse what would life be without negativity?it would be the other side therfore why would we come down to earth?i am not religious but people need to know the truth.once my freind killed himself i was going to until i discovered a silvia browne book "life on the other side" yes i was very much skeptical believe me unless i see something it not true.but this book changed my life before it was too late.now for cute but disturbed dylan and eric it is too late for this life but i suggest that you read it

First off, anyone who thinks Dylan and Eric are cool should F*CKING DIE. They are a disgrace, as with other murderers and psychopaths, to the human race. Everyone says "well they were just going through a rough patch in their lives".Yeah, and I'm just a tad bit different than everyone else. F*ck everyone else. We were all made different and thats the way God wanted it to be. Too many people want to be the same as everybody. Why? Just keep in mind that we're all different the next time you wanna fit in. And remeber to die for what you believe in if you're ever staring down the barrel of a double-barreled sawed-off .12 gauge.

Who are you people who think these two little spoiled bastards are worthy of hero worship? Lots of kids grow up "not accepted" by the in-crowd and actually turn out to be decent adults while the in-crowders are living in their high school glory days 20 years later. These are not contributing members of a society, but two useless, loser-fuckwads who deserve to rot in hell if there is such a place. By the way, there is no real scientific evidence of SSRIs causing violent tendencies, as this was the rationale used in the Victor Brancaccio case when he beat an 81-year-old woman to death (his lawyers blamed the Zoloft)...two different juries refused to buy it and found him guilty of kidnapping and murder one. Experts said during this trial that there is no PROVEN scientific link between ADs and homicidal tendencies.

I think the parents, who never noticed the Hitler posters or the bomb building in the garage should be held 200 percent accountable and sued for every penny. I have no sympathy for Harris and Klebold...mental illness my azz...Jeffrey Dahmer ate his neighbors and still got life without parole (and a roundabout death sentence.)
http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_juvenile.html

No they aren't heroes; who said they were? But, what they did was understandable and I have no sympathy for a few jocks and the like that got snuffed. Obviously, they couldn't defend themselves physically, like some people can, enough to beat the crap out of some no-neck jock or a mob of 'cool' kids who were taunting them, so they did what they felt they could do by taking a few of them with them when they decided to go. ;)

Leave people alone and this stuff doesn't happen. If people keep doing the same thing to other people who are already on edge, it will happen again.

Besides, taking out some asshole jock is a public service.

hey brittany, reserch your topic before commenting. they weren't even in the trenchcoat mafia. they were just friends with a few of the people in it. harris was what a true pshychopath is. klebold was depressed and easily influnced by harris. don't think that everyone who murders someone is a pshychopath; you'd be very wrong. pshychopath is characterized by traits, just like a depressivs is. so, next time research your topic before commenting.

Sounds like people were confusing psychopath with psychotic...psychotic is a real illness where psychopath is a character flaw where the person has no conscience. Eric Harris had no soul, no conscience, no concept of right or worng...just a spoiled kid who relished in being "different" but shot everyone who picked on him for being different. If you can't handle marching to your own beat, blend in and STFU.

As for the person who said people deserved to die because "they picked on them", please! People get picked on every day in the real world. People get fired daily; do the bosses deserve to get shot because "they are picking on me?" People get rejected in relationships and at work for promotion; guess we gotta gun them down too because "they are picking on me." High school is notoriously mean; but it can be said that it sets those who are the "pickees" up for real life...life ain't no "Friends" episode. Lots of people get picked on but it still does not justify killing the pickers (I doubt the teacher who died was picking on them.) Believe me, those who do the picking (jocks) are usually ill-equipped to deal with real life when it happens to them; you'll see them at the 10-year reunion as gas pumpers or housewives revelling in their glory days on the field.

The only ones who deserve to be dead are Harris and Klebold; sympathy does not exist for them here.

Meh, there is a great big difference between 'ordinary', typical teasing and constant harassment. But, I know a good citizen like you would never understand taking action yourself. Sure, you can outdistance the fools later on in life that bothered you in school, but it sure feels good to get 'em back when you can.

BTW, don't try to act as though you speak for everyone that ever posts on this site. So long.

I think Harris had " social anxiety disorder" it makes you feel judged by everyone around you. you feel judged even if someone looks at you, they don't have to say anything or do anything mean but you'll get angry just because they looked at you and you feel judged by them. If Harris did go through life like this then I can understand why he would do something like he did on 4/20/99 because living with SA is like hell on earth. you would rather be dead than live another day. Don't call me stupid I think this could be a real possibility. rather than accepting he was just a superior complex pyschopath ( that could be true too ) but SA mentally breaks you down day by day.

there isn't any good days when you have SA. every day is the same. hell on earth. you're constantly pissed off because you feel judged ALL of the time. it's still possible to have a few " trusted " friends though. not everyone with SA is a loner. so even if Harris did suffer from SA he could've still trusted Dylan and had a few other close relationships ( but nothing worth living for )

anyway, its just my opinion. it had to take more than being a " pyscopath " because obviously Eric did have a conscience. a person with no conscience could careless what others think of him. Eric was different though. His conscience was effected by those who taunted/teased him and eventually he lost his feelings for other human beings.

Just use eric and dylans last video as an example..

some of erics last words were " I know my parents are just going to be fucking shocked beyond belief " or something close to that. those arent the words of a conscience-less human being. it's amazing really, he still had feelings for those who loved him minutes before killing other ppl and then himself. He knew his parents were going to be shocked and upset. that is proof of his conscience.

a true pyscopath wouldnt be apologizing for his actions. if Eric really was a true pyschopath, he wouldnt have said " im sorry " to his family right before he went and killed all of those ppl. if he was really pyscopathic he would've just went and killed all of those people and left all of his loved ones with nothing.

I think Harris had " social anxiety disorder" it makes you feel judged by everyone around you. you feel judged even if someone looks at you, they don't have to say anything or do anything mean but you'll get angry just because they looked at you and you feel judged by them. If Harris did go through life like this then I can understand why he would do something like he did on 4/20/99 because living with SA is like hell on earth. you would rather be dead than live another day. Don't call me stupid I think this could be a real possibility. rather than accepting he was just a superior complex pyschopath ( that could be true too ) but SA mentally breaks you down day by day.

there isn't any good days when you have SA. every day is the same. hell on earth. you're constantly pissed off because you feel judged ALL of the time. it's still possible to have a few " trusted " friends though. not everyone with SA is a loner. so even if Harris did suffer from SA he could've still trusted Dylan and had a few other close relationships ( but nothing worth living for )

anyway, its just my opinion. it had to take more than being a " pyscopath " because obviously Eric did have a conscience. a person with no conscience could careless what others think of him. Eric was different though. His conscience was effected by those who taunted/teased him and eventually he lost his feelings for other human beings.

Just use eric and dylans last video as an example..

some of erics last words were " I know my parents are just going to be fucking shocked beyond belief " or something close to that. those arent the words of a conscience-less human being. it's amazing really, he still had feelings for those who loved him minutes before killing other ppl and then himself. He knew his parents were going to be shocked and upset. that is proof of his conscience.

a true pyscopath wouldnt be apologizing for his actions. if Eric really was a true pyschopath, he wouldnt have said " im sorry " to his family right before he went and killed all of those ppl. if he was really pyscopathic he would've just went and killed all of those people and left all of his loved ones with nothing.